Hell, in my apartment there’s a room especially for making it very hot and humid. Even above 100c, and I still don’t boil. Weird, huh?
And I bet that room has its own thermostat, fuel, and doesn’t reach that temperature without human input. How often is the average human stepping into a sauna that it needs to be considered on a common use scale? The hottest recorded temperature on earth is 56°C, why would our daily scale need to be pegged 78% higher than that?
Endothermic refers to the ability of the organism to regulate it’s temperature, not just the ability to generate heat
Exactly! So we have 8.3 billion self-adjusting thermostats set to [nearly] the same target no matter their environment. Unlike the freezing temp, water’s boiling point can vary wildly on Earth. If I forget to check the altitude I could mistakenly think my boiling teapot is at 100°C instead of 68°C.
Home cooking usually depends way more on your ingredients and the quirks of your appliances than your target temp. Maybe your kitchen is a little more humid today and this batch of cookies is more chewy than yesterday. That’s why many recipes give hints on target texture or look (crispy, soft, golden brown…). But yes if you want a very specific outcome you’ll care much more about temp accuracy.
And I bet that room has its own thermostat, fuel, and doesn’t reach that temperature without human input.
I don’t manage to see your point. If the point is “you can’t live in places which are hotter the average body temp”, then should I point you towards Australasia? Also, in my last apartment, I didn’t have a sauna, but I did have a kitchen that was constantly above 40 and topped out my 52c meter in my kitchen.
considered on a common use scale?
Only an American things measuring things in average horse blood temperature vs when water boils at sealevel is a “common use scale”.
A “common” use scale for you less metrically abled; “fucking freezing”, “freezing”, “cold”, “cool”, “okay”, “a bit warm” “too hot” “fucking scorching”.
The hottest recorded temperature on earth is 56°C
You mean the hottest ambient temperature measured not from direct sunlight. Yeah, maybe. Still a bit more than our body temp, no?
water’s boiling point can vary wildly on Earth.
Yeah, but 100c doesn’t. It’s always the temperature at which pure water boils at sea level.
If I forget to check the altitude I could mistakenly think my boiling teapot is at 100°C instead of 68°C.
Sure yeah, you sound like a guy who might have a problem like that. Luckily for you, kettles don’t actually have thermostats set to 100c. They shut off when the water is boiling, despite the temperature. So people like you have been accounted for, rest assured. Nor will you be needing to make any thermometers either.
quirks of your appliances
So you microwave shit and then think temp doesn’t matter? I don’t really “appliances”. Is a grater an appliance? A manual one? Knives a few pans, ingredients. Thermometer. Perhaps if you’ve actually been doing a dish for 20 years perfectly you can forget about but it but it’s an absolute must for most kitchen professionals; good measuring instruments. A scale and a thermometer, mainly. Don’t really need anything else. Don’t even need that to cook, obviously. But because of the “quirks of your appliance”, you probe your meat, to meet the right temp. Damn I made myself hungry. Well I got some moose in the freezer.
That’s why many recipes give hints on target texture or look (crispy, soft, golden brown…). But yes if you want a very specific
What’s way more important in cooking is actually the measuring than thinking you can just throw it together and wait until it turns whatever the description wants. If you want it good, you’ll measure it to the gram and use the correct temp. Which is a bit above our body temp again, but guess “cooking” isn’t included in “common use scale”?
☝️😬 Metric-stans when you suggest a theoretical tweak to Centigrade that makes it align closer with human-scale temps while preserving the decimal nature.
My main point is that we spend 90% of our lives wandering around in a fairly narrow range of temperatures. Every day we care about how we should dress or what precipitation to expect or what the high/low might be overnight or checking our apartment thermostat…
The general population only spends a fraction of that time caring about the temperature of anything else (look at a recipe->plug in the baking temp->move on). In a universe where we spent all our time measuring astrological bodies I would probably be arguing for the scale to be normalized around 100ºSol.
I boil water probably 2x per day and I have never once cared about the actual temperature of that reaction. If I dunk my hand in water at 85ºC or 99ºC its gonna hurt like fuck either way. A scale based around horse blood would probably be more tangible because I can actually tell when the mammal blood in my meat-sack body is feeling a few degrees cold/warm.
Stapling a scale solely to pure, scientific, idealized, elemental reactions is silly Enlightenment dogma. Unless we plan on using my theoretical scale for millions of years of human evolution, average body temp is nearly as constant.
So you just never cook anything? Because if you cook, your scale is longer. You have to heat your oven to 350+ degrees, whereas I’m just putting it to 180. So the scale is actually “aligned closer with human-scale temps” whatever your brainfart can be interpreted to mean.
we spend 90% of our lives wandering around in a fairly narrow range of temperatures
You do. You. Just like you think your brainfart is in anyway an improvement instead of just silly rambling without any sense whatsoever.
I have never once cared about the actual temperature of that reaction
Because you don’t live in Peru or the bottom of the sea, so you don’t have to, because you know it’s always pretty much exactly 100 for you.
A person with a stroke could’ve written your comment and it would be none the better.
Not one of your arguments holds any water; Centrigrade is a smaller scale, and a more logical one. Standing naked outside, most people would have a fairly good guess on when it’s near or below 0c. Or as English actually says “freezing.” You couldn’t even tell 0 degrees Fahrenheit. Literally most people in the world have never even experienced such a temperature. I have. I’ve also experienced -40 (where they meet.)
How many days a year do you spend in 0f?
Because in my country being below zero is more common than not. Both C and F, moreso C though, as “it’s closer to a human scale”.
So F is wider, cooking temps are double that of anything in double digits, no-one can even tell where 0f is and 100f is very much not close to the warmest things we handle in our daily lives.
0-100c is quite simple. Over or under, don’t touch with bare skin. (For non cooks stay below 60c though or you’ll burn yourself)
But I don’t need to argue. The works decided long ago.
Lmao no disrespect intended but I hope you take a break for some self care, we’re on a meme post and I’m pitching a hypothetical temperature scale that will see zero implementation or adoption ever. I think it’s fun to play with and debate but there’s no need to get heated about it
That’s the problem; you’re not actually pitching anything. You’re badly rationalising why your personal preference would be objectively better, and labeling it in a pseudointellectual bullshit that doesn’t make any sense.
I mean theres no objectivity to the way we describe the universe anyway
Our society has arbitrarily landed on a base ten numbering system. This colors how we measure, but it could have just as easily been any other historical numbering system (12/20/4/60…)
The length of a meter was chosen by the French based on the size of Earth at that time and relative to Paris. That obviously doesn’t work if you try to account for earth’s gradual shedding of mass or gaining mass via meteors
The length of a second was defined as a fraction of earth’s daily rotation even though the rotation speed is slowing over time
We have thousands of names for specific frequencies of visible light but don’t really bother for the other 99.9965% of the electromagnetic spectrum
We still use classic binomial nomenclature for naming animals even though the whole system of taxonomic rank has basically been abandoned by biologists because evolution is too messy to classify
We basically just do things the way someone in the distant past decided to do things (though we’ve gotten better at defining them via natural constants).
The most clear, “rational” way to observe the universe would be with Planck units (ie. describing the universe within the bounds of our current theories of special relativity, quantum mechanics and gravity). But even that could be upended if we were to further develop/prove our physics theories. An alien race might show up and think our system based around discrete Planck lengths is primitive and quaint.
Edit: and no pun intended with heated but it’s coincidentally fitting to the conversation 😁
I mean theres no objectivity to the way we describe the universe anyway
You’re going all in the self-delusing. If there’s no objectivity, then how come we can launch shit to other planets? Why does that tech work?
A meter is more less a yard. Ever heard the term “yard-stick”? Ofc you have, and you know what it means, but you’ll pretend not to.
I’ll tell you that I’m klorknon gribbits tall and that is not objective, because it’s just some bullshit I just made up. Like the bullshit you keep making up to not have to learn the measuring system the entire rest of the world uses.
Feets and pounds are nowadays objective, as they’re based on metric standards, which have been strictly objectively defined, no matter what sophistry you want to wave around about how no measuring system is arbitrary since you don’t understand it.
A second is exactly 9,192,631,770 periods of radiation corresponding to the transition between two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the cesium-133 atom.
And here’s the dictionary definition for “objective”.
objective
adjective
: expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations
Your “b-b-but it’s a closer to human-scale scale actually much better cause cooking temps and 0 temps don’t matter” is affected by your personal feelings that Fahrenheit is somehow “more human-scale”, whatever the fuck that means.
And I bet that room has its own thermostat, fuel, and doesn’t reach that temperature without human input. How often is the average human stepping into a sauna that it needs to be considered on a common use scale? The hottest recorded temperature on earth is 56°C, why would our daily scale need to be pegged 78% higher than that?
Exactly! So we have 8.3 billion self-adjusting thermostats set to [nearly] the same target no matter their environment. Unlike the freezing temp, water’s boiling point can vary wildly on Earth. If I forget to check the altitude I could mistakenly think my boiling teapot is at 100°C instead of 68°C.
Home cooking usually depends way more on your ingredients and the quirks of your appliances than your target temp. Maybe your kitchen is a little more humid today and this batch of cookies is more chewy than yesterday. That’s why many recipes give hints on target texture or look (crispy, soft, golden brown…). But yes if you want a very specific outcome you’ll care much more about temp accuracy.
I don’t manage to see your point. If the point is “you can’t live in places which are hotter the average body temp”, then should I point you towards Australasia? Also, in my last apartment, I didn’t have a sauna, but I did have a kitchen that was constantly above 40 and topped out my 52c meter in my kitchen.
Only an American things measuring things in average horse blood temperature vs when water boils at sealevel is a “common use scale”.
A “common” use scale for you less metrically abled; “fucking freezing”, “freezing”, “cold”, “cool”, “okay”, “a bit warm” “too hot” “fucking scorching”.
You mean the hottest ambient temperature measured not from direct sunlight. Yeah, maybe. Still a bit more than our body temp, no?
Yeah, but 100c doesn’t. It’s always the temperature at which pure water boils at sea level.
Sure yeah, you sound like a guy who might have a problem like that. Luckily for you, kettles don’t actually have thermostats set to 100c. They shut off when the water is boiling, despite the temperature. So people like you have been accounted for, rest assured. Nor will you be needing to make any thermometers either.
So you microwave shit and then think temp doesn’t matter? I don’t really “appliances”. Is a grater an appliance? A manual one? Knives a few pans, ingredients. Thermometer. Perhaps if you’ve actually been doing a dish for 20 years perfectly you can forget about but it but it’s an absolute must for most kitchen professionals; good measuring instruments. A scale and a thermometer, mainly. Don’t really need anything else. Don’t even need that to cook, obviously. But because of the “quirks of your appliance”, you probe your meat, to meet the right temp. Damn I made myself hungry. Well I got some moose in the freezer.
What’s way more important in cooking is actually the measuring than thinking you can just throw it together and wait until it turns whatever the description wants. If you want it good, you’ll measure it to the gram and use the correct temp. Which is a bit above our body temp again, but guess “cooking” isn’t included in “common use scale”?
☝️😬 Metric-stans when you suggest a theoretical tweak to Centigrade that makes it align closer with human-scale temps while preserving the decimal nature.
My main point is that we spend 90% of our lives wandering around in a fairly narrow range of temperatures. Every day we care about how we should dress or what precipitation to expect or what the high/low might be overnight or checking our apartment thermostat…
The general population only spends a fraction of that time caring about the temperature of anything else (look at a recipe->plug in the baking temp->move on). In a universe where we spent all our time measuring astrological bodies I would probably be arguing for the scale to be normalized around 100ºSol.
I boil water probably 2x per day and I have never once cared about the actual temperature of that reaction. If I dunk my hand in water at 85ºC or 99ºC its gonna hurt like fuck either way. A scale based around horse blood would probably be more tangible because I can actually tell when the mammal blood in my meat-sack body is feeling a few degrees cold/warm.
Stapling a scale solely to pure, scientific, idealized, elemental reactions is silly Enlightenment dogma. Unless we plan on using my theoretical scale for millions of years of human evolution, average body temp is nearly as constant.
So you just never cook anything? Because if you cook, your scale is longer. You have to heat your oven to 350+ degrees, whereas I’m just putting it to 180. So the scale is actually “aligned closer with human-scale temps” whatever your brainfart can be interpreted to mean.
You do. You. Just like you think your brainfart is in anyway an improvement instead of just silly rambling without any sense whatsoever.
Because you don’t live in Peru or the bottom of the sea, so you don’t have to, because you know it’s always pretty much exactly 100 for you.
A person with a stroke could’ve written your comment and it would be none the better.
Not one of your arguments holds any water; Centrigrade is a smaller scale, and a more logical one. Standing naked outside, most people would have a fairly good guess on when it’s near or below 0c. Or as English actually says “freezing.” You couldn’t even tell 0 degrees Fahrenheit. Literally most people in the world have never even experienced such a temperature. I have. I’ve also experienced -40 (where they meet.)
How many days a year do you spend in 0f?
Because in my country being below zero is more common than not. Both C and F, moreso C though, as “it’s closer to a human scale”.
So F is wider, cooking temps are double that of anything in double digits, no-one can even tell where 0f is and 100f is very much not close to the warmest things we handle in our daily lives.
0-100c is quite simple. Over or under, don’t touch with bare skin. (For non cooks stay below 60c though or you’ll burn yourself)
But I don’t need to argue. The works decided long ago.
Lmao no disrespect intended but I hope you take a break for some self care, we’re on a meme post and I’m pitching a hypothetical temperature scale that will see zero implementation or adoption ever. I think it’s fun to play with and debate but there’s no need to get heated about it
That’s the problem; you’re not actually pitching anything. You’re badly rationalising why your personal preference would be objectively better, and labeling it in a pseudointellectual bullshit that doesn’t make any sense.
Edit oh and don’t get “heated” then…?
I mean theres no objectivity to the way we describe the universe anyway
We basically just do things the way someone in the distant past decided to do things (though we’ve gotten better at defining them via natural constants).
The most clear, “rational” way to observe the universe would be with Planck units (ie. describing the universe within the bounds of our current theories of special relativity, quantum mechanics and gravity). But even that could be upended if we were to further develop/prove our physics theories. An alien race might show up and think our system based around discrete Planck lengths is primitive and quaint.
Edit: and no pun intended with heated but it’s coincidentally fitting to the conversation 😁
You’re going all in the self-delusing. If there’s no objectivity, then how come we can launch shit to other planets? Why does that tech work?
A meter is more less a yard. Ever heard the term “yard-stick”? Ofc you have, and you know what it means, but you’ll pretend not to.
I’ll tell you that I’m klorknon gribbits tall and that is not objective, because it’s just some bullshit I just made up. Like the bullshit you keep making up to not have to learn the measuring system the entire rest of the world uses.
Feets and pounds are nowadays objective, as they’re based on metric standards, which have been strictly objectively defined, no matter what sophistry you want to wave around about how no measuring system is arbitrary since you don’t understand it.
A second is exactly 9,192,631,770 periods of radiation corresponding to the transition between two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the cesium-133 atom.
And here’s the dictionary definition for “objective”.
objective
adjective
: expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations
Your “b-b-but it’s a closer to human-scale scale actually much better cause cooking temps and 0 temps don’t matter” is affected by your personal feelings that Fahrenheit is somehow “more human-scale”, whatever the fuck that means.