• ulterno@programming.dev
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    2 days ago

    Even so, in a scenario where all the currencies fall apart, Gold and Silver are very probable to become the basis of wealth.
    Nowadays, stuff like SiIicon and Copper are pretty high value (and similarly, Germanium), but they really depend a lot upon hard to measure purity which goes with high-technology.
    So Gold and Silver, which are easier to determine with lower technology (unless someone uses high-technology to spoof them) and also easier to make into useful products, will tend to hold intrinsic value.

    Value of iron and others, break down due to abundance, while steel depends upon technology and expertise.

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      Also because gold and silver are what people will mentally default to. Even if you develop a quick, easy, and free test to determine the purity of cobalt or neodymium and demonstrate how they’re more functionally valuable, people will still default to trading au and ag to buy the amount of those metals they need. Copper would be next.

      So why gold? Because everyone knows that enough people will trade for it, in the same way you know your landlord, grocer, and bar will all take your country’s currency, and that’s why you accept it in exchange for your labor

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        Yeah, and that’s why crypto is not catching up well.
        Kind of a chicken and egg thing.

        But in case of Gold and Silver, there had to be some initial driving factor for when it was first popularised (before people just started mentally defaulting to it).
        Even though archaeology suggests that there were some civilisations did use notational currency in times before the relatively modern, well known history, enough of them did go with Gold. And since this was during the time when long distance trade was way slower, I won’t consider the case of some single power influencing everyone else without any other driving force behind Gold itself.

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          14 hours ago

          Gold and silver caught on because they are rare for surface deposits making them rare, non reactive making them good for coins. Soft and easy to work with, again good for coins. But durable enough and most importantly heavy enough but not too heavy to be not easily lost. Again making them good for coins.

          It literally just comes down to they were useful to make coins.

          Look to South America where they would “waste” oodles of gold on religious rituals.

          Practicality is first, foremost and the only reason something catches on and then STAYS popular.

          Over time that practical reason can fall away and stop mattering but to get started you need practicality

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            Yep, you got it.

            Gold and silver originally became commonplace as money, as currency, because they are excellent material to make coins out of.

            You can carry bits or coins of gold and silver on your person, and you can denominate them fairly easily, you can store them and they won’t corrode, and its not that hard to weigh them or melt them down.

            Compare that to trying to haul around a backpack or trailer full of bigmacs.

            Yeah, they’re pumped full of preservatives, but they won’t last anywhere near as long as a non reactive metal.

            Nowadays… well, gold and silver are massively important components in computer technology.

            So they’ve got the historical basis as money, and the commodity basis of having a significant amount of vital industy dependant on them.

            Bitcoin people used to argue that bitcoin would be a superior currency to all other currencies for a myriad of reasons… but you will always need some kind of computer thing that is either made out of or at some stage of industrial production involves gold/silver/other metals to even be able to transact with bitcoin.

            In a modern, capitalist, international fiat currency context, you also can’t escape some kind of supply/demand based on use case dynamic for currencies.

            Oh, your economy is imploding due to a debt/bond/stock/trade balance crisis?

            Less ongoing demand for holding your wealth in that economy’s currency, even if it is in bonds that pay interest or stocks that are nominally appreciating.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triffin_dilemma

            We are currently basically reverting to a pre Breton Woods international monetary system as the USD implodes, central banks everywhere are hoarding and repatriating gold as the de facto international exchange mechanism, as geopolitical monetary turmoil rises.

            https://www.macrotrends.net/1437/sp500-to-gold-ratio-chart

            So basically, if at the beginning of 2024, you had $100k in the SP500, you would have ~$146k right now.

            If you had $100k of gold at the beginning of 2024… you would have ~$275k right now.

            Thats 1.46x vs 2.75x.

            That’s gold outperforming the SP500 by 88%, in just over two years.

            That is a dying economy and currency.

            Gold went from about $2000/oz in early 2024 to about $5500/oz at time of me writing this.

            I think it was like a week ago that Goldman Sachs or somebody said gold might hit $5400 by the end of the year.

            https://www.kitco.com/news/article/2026-01-22/goldman-sachs-raises-2026-gold-price-target-5400oz-private-sector-joins

            Yep there it is.

            So uh, we did a year in a week.

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          I think the fact that they’re pretty, nonreactive, rare, and were available very early is huge here. Gold is just there sometimes, little flakes and beads washed to rhe surface. It’s one of the only metals you find non metallurgical cultures using. From there it became valuable for jewelry and ritual objects because of its rarity and appearance, and once you have something durable, reworkable, and more desired than possessed it becomes a really easy thing to trade, especially when cross culturally valued.