• 00x0xx@lemmy.world
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      Considering the behavior of British tourist globally today, or even the history of their empire, the two words may as well have the same meaning.

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        I can only apologise for my fellow countrymen. They’re pricks, especially a group of lads or the typical Gammon family unit, and it’s why I try to holiday in places with as few of them as possible.

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          Accusing the British of being Brutes is like accusing Germans of being Nazi’s. It is rooted in the historic actions of these nations, rather than anything in particular they’ve done today. Sure British tourist have their stereotypes, but honestly they aren’t worse than Chinese tourist, or Muslim migrants. As long as British tourist are still paying customers, many nations will still be happy to host them. Don’t take these comments so seriously, it’s all in good humor.

          Brexit on the other hand is a tragedy so awful that you can wonder how a nation once known for it’s ability to govern an empire spanning the entire globe, and innovators of capitalism, made such a stupid decision. Like pointing a gun to your head and pulling the trigger thinking it will cure your headache. It’s so ridiculous I still can’t come up with a proper insult to throw at the Brits concerning their decision to commit economic suicide.

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    It’s worth pointing out that the two opposing countries / nations / city states in this cartoon would have to have similar governments with similar charters, and similar selection processes for their representatives.

    It is lunacy to say things like “Obummer was a dictator!” when he was selected twice by people voting, and then peaceably left the office after his two terms completely in line with the Constitution.

    Now can you say the same thing about, for instance, Putin?

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      It’s important to follow the laws of the land, otherwise there is damage to the system. Legal framework, electoral framework, political framework. So when answering your question about Putin, the electoral rules and legalities of Russia’s system must be examined. Were they violated?

      That is also a question on the US national agenda for Trump. It is important to consider his case in context of the system. And to compare his real estate dealings to others who deal in real estate. What was the severity and nature of the alleged crime? Are these kinds of behaviors common in the American political class?

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    I feel like the artist originally wanted to make this primarily medieval themed. But then realisied “Oh yeah, news and stuff are a thing.” And then just added laptops and antennas.

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    I think about this whenever I see legislative efforts to “prevent disinformation” XD

    I hate disinformation as much as the next guy, but we gotta be careful who we give charte blanche to censor information XD

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      Yeah i’ve learned not to trust this kind of simmetrical worldview, even when it makes me feel smart for being above it.

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        What if instead of taking it as saying all things are symmetrical we take it to mean that we have a tendency to consider outsiders to be “savage” or simply “other” even when the evidence doesn’t support that? Then this shitpost would be more like a warning against xenophobia.

        You chose an interpretation you didn’t like just so you could dismiss it. And you don’t think your goal in doing so is to feel intellectually superior? You’re another.

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          What if instead of aggressively going off on people we consider that they may have valid experiences shaping their worldview, and that their point is not even necessarily opposed to ours anyway?

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            I think we have the same point here - and there’s no aggression. That’s more of your cyber brain fleshing out details of a person one cannot know but only touches through a singular on-screen opinion. You attributed aggression because it went with the context. See how quickly this shit happens? And people are actually dismissing the meme… it’s happening right in front of us

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      I’m not sure whether the version of this I saw previously was the original and this post was cropped, or if this post is the original and the other text was added later. But I much prefer the context here:

      • Ð Greıt Þu̇mpkin@lemm.ee
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        Ahh see this I can get behind, reminds me of the Soviet anti alcohol poster that’s become a meme too

        Good original intent, less good modern applications

        The dawn of nationalism was definitely the mistake of the previous age I think. Peoples should be able to self govern autonomously, but not under a guise of “the nation” which inherently forms an out group to be excluded.

        I like the Arabic/American way to do it, “You wanna be one of us? Well then you’re already half way there!”

        I speak very little Arabic but my teacher has told me that I already know enough to get the long list cousin’s welcome among most L1 speakers lol.

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        One faction has a messiah fixation, thumps a Bible they’ve never even read (they just let some pastor tell them what’s in it), obsesses over guns and other peoples’ private (by which I mean sexual) lives and reproductive organs. They’ve been told and so believe that Sodom and Gomorrah was about the sex, but it was about righteousness and hospitality - and these are two things that they themselves lack completely.

        There is a real problem, a real danger, because it fits historical patterns we’ve seen before - the so-called “ideas” that they spout with the language that they use - and they end up mindlessly, senselessly bringing EVERYBODY down with them.

        They are a menace to all of us. Including themselves, but they don’t see it. And neither does the “both sides” argument, a lazy excuse for not acknowledging that the proverbial emperor has no clothes.

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          I’m not sure if this “faction” you speak of is really as clear cut as you think it is. Nor whether it’s being depicted in the comic. You’re specifically reading your “faction” belief into this comic in order to criticize it.

          What would the other “faction” be? Would it not be people in the same country? Does the meme even apply at that point?

          This shit is clearly about xenophobia and all of you responding with Reddit Buzzwords are completely missing that point. In fact, you’re contributing to xenophobia by refusing to recognize it. You might have more in common with the “bible thumpers” than you realized.

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          It’s addressing the concept of demonization, a la Israel and Palestine. It’s via these mechanisms that other people are dehumanized.

          Not Karen v Karen at the pta meeting.

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              Miss.

              Again it’s about any group demonizing another.

              The process of generating the “subhuman” other based on misinformation.

              It’s not about holding people to their honest record.

              Playing the middle and saying “both sides” is completely different than what this image is displaying.

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                Miss.

                Again it is about exactly what I said. “Our glorious leader” is not about other people it is both sideism.

                It’s about playing both sideism.

                What side are you on in Russia-Ukraine? No question dodging “enlightened centralist”.

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    Except that,

    • Our objective news - is really just a mess of different slants, some being propaganda, that are not censured even when their content approaches slander due to heavy political bias.

    • Our combating disinformation - is largely unexisting to the point that several large social media providers have abolished or acted against the control they had for doing so and that their CEOs shamelessly meet with presidential candidates with ties to them.

    • Our glorious leader - is hardly accepted as a glorious leader and the portion of the society that does also tend to have absolutely no qualms about becoming more authoritarian by their own admission.

    • Our great religion - is criticized within the country and an increasing number of people are becoming atheists.

    • Our noble populace - Our heroic adventures - Ok, who is writing this meme? Who thinks their society thinks this way? Half the other populace disagrees with the other half, even going so far as to be described as hate, and any mythos of heroic is easily dismissed the moment it becomes convenient to do so not to mention the amount of criticism armed forces get.

    This is whataboutism 101. Not all sides are completely black and white, but not all sides are equally grey.

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      I don’t think this comic was about you or your country. It’s about how nationalists frame things in their own vs. other countries.

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        Except that at least nationalists can be criticized in mine, creating such a mess in a first place. In theirs, if not explicit social censorship, there’s clear persecution of the barest opposition.

    • 🔍🦘🛎@lemmy.world
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      The whole point is that the two nations are the same, but some of the population doesn’t see it that way. Of course our news is filled with propaganda, that’s what this meme is saying. Of course our troops are carrying out the whims of a despot. But blind nationalism paints these as the right and true path.

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    It is divide and conquer vs. unite and rule. You don’t rule over people about to go at each other.

    Whatever this things reeks of both sideism. Which is another way to feel superior without learning.