Microsoft, doing it’s part to make the world a better place.
No it won’t.
240 million grandmas, cheapskate businesses, and cash-strapped public schools will continue to use whatever operating system their computers already have, forever, until they break, security implications be damned.
My 76 y/o spouse loves Linux Mint. The 2017-bought desktop was deemed insufficient for Windows 11 and now runs Mint.
If all they use is a web browser and solitaire then putting them on Linux is super easy. Got my dad on Mint for years now. I recommend KPatience for solitaire needs.
If all they use is a web browser and solitaire, they should consider a tablet. Even as a techie, with many devices, I spend the most time using my iPad because it works so well for “media consumption”.
Of course it’s only 6 years old, slowing down, and is no longer supported with patches, so maybe that’s not a solution. At least it’s less to go in a landfill
This is a huge business opportunity for someone with the know-how. They should offer a consulting service that does the following:
- Catalogs the software your company is using.
- Identifies which ones have native Linux versions, which ones work well under WINE, and which ones will need to be replaced with either a different native application or an online equivalent.
- Installs and configures Linux with a Windows-like UI on your old systems, and gets them set up with the replacement software.
Offer a support contract that severely undercuts anything Microsoft is
gougingselling. Offer basic training, too.Anyone who does that can make bank.
Microsoft doing its* part
Yes, because normal people always throw PCs away when they stop getting security updates.
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Some very small percentage of people will switch to Linux, the majority of people will just continue to use windows 10.
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They were data mining on non subscribing customers tho, in age of AI nowadays, data mining on real living people is good business
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I’ve never used them tho, most probably USA exclusive thing, i know Azure used in many countries companies on par with aws and Google cloud but it’s first time i hear about entra, didn’t know it existed
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I get the joke, but lots of people, me included, start to understand why people pay so much for a Mac. It’s not the hardware, it’s not having to deal with Windows.
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I have 20 years of experience in Linux. I’m not the average “I’m using Arch btw” Linux user. I managed several services at work with Linux and have a homelab at home.
If I wasn’t a PC gamer, Windows was gone from my house. That’s how I prefer Linux.
Having said that, your statement is objectively wrong.
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You’re changing the environment to favour your fight. I agree with you, 90% of the times in servers space, Linux works better.
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I wish.
Uh I don’t have time or wish to subject myself to the frustration that is Linux. I’ve tried it at least 5 times in the past 10 years and strongly prefer Windows.
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My Wacom tablet doesn’t work properly, neither does my Canon Pro 1000 printer. I’ve also had a few issues with my graphics drivers and games.
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It works, just not as well as it does in Windows. Mapping buttons and controls is a pain without the Wacom control panel.
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Gaming is the primary driver behind my PC choices by a humongous margin. I’m not really concerned about imvasive anti-cheat software, I don’t want to tinker with settings, I want to turn on my computer and play video games. That means I use Windows.
As someone who just installed Linux Mint as a test and uses their machine mostly for gaming:
Linux is perfectly fine for that, too. I had one minor issue that was fixed by plugging a cord into a different plug on my machine and have otherwise had 0 issues getting things to run on the Linux partition of my system.
I actually have seen mostly better performance in the realm of about 10fps better per game than the Win 10 install on the same hardware
Spent less time tinkering with the settings (done via GUI that makes more sense than windoes’ 15 different settings menus) than I never have in any version of Windows, synched my firefox over, boom.
Not gonna say Linux is perfect for everything but it does seem a lot of people think it’s harder/worse than it is by a mile
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Well I do, so.
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That doesn’t compute here. Like I have literally 0 problems with Windows. That’s certainly not been my experience with Linux. Oh bought a new drawing tablet, nah that won’t work. Oh need to update for firmware on a device, yeah better have windows. Oh you bought a recent printer, better not use Linux.
It will be like that as long as people are so used to bad products. Linux will have similar but better support if it has more users. It already improved a lot. This myth of printers/tablets not working got quite old now
Reject Windows, emabrace Linux and FOSS Software
I built a new PC last year and bought a copy of Windows 11. Holy moly the login process required so much bullshit that I skipped through. It also every few days tries to get me to go through it again. After learning about all the Spyware and other bullshit I decided to just take the plunge back into using Linux as a main OS.
A couple of years ago I was trying to reinstall Windows 10 without Internet. I hadn’t bought a switch for that room yet so ended up having to unplug another computer so Windows “Special Snowflake” 10 would let me a little easlier set up the admin and user.
Again, Install Linux, get rid of Microsoft shit.
Yeah, because Linux runs everything!
Except… No, it doesn’t. I love Linux for specific uses, but let’s be real: it’s not a valid replacement for windows yet. Not for ALL types of users.
When it is, then I’ll be out on every street corner with you with a sign. But until then, can we not gaslight all of Lemmy?
No.
Linux runs just-about-everything. Indeed, that does not cover 100% of windows users, but it damn well includes 95% of windows users who use windows for email and word processing and gaming, all of which runs perfectly fine or better on Linux.
Once those are on Linux, I’ll shut up indeed but until then, here I am. I’m sick and tired of people happily giving money to a scam company who got where they are by lying and cheating, and then these same people asking me to help them out with their windows shit.
What are you missing on Linux?
Edit: Kinda weird to downvote for asking an honest question, but sure, knock yourselves out.
The two most important things missing from Linux are mass familiarity and certain important professional software suites. It isn’t that Linux doesn’t have software nearly-equivalent to things like the Adobe suite, MS Office, and AutoCAD. It is that it doesn’t have those EXACT applications. Like it or not, in a professional setting, you usually have to use the big proprietary applications because that’s what everyone else uses. Using standard software reduces compatibility and training headaches, and eases recruitment. Most technically-oriented professionals wouldn’t even take a job that disallowed them from accessing and maintaining their competence with the standard software of their profession.
Yup, any finance/accounting staff will not be on Linux
I feel like MS could avoid everyone’s gripes by simply not charging for their security update program. 7 to 13+ years is going to more than cover when most people would’ve upgraded anyway.
That’s not how software works. Maintaining an OS until the end of time is a real problem.
Should they be maintaining the beloved windows xp still?
Agreed. I’m just looking at the machines that were purchased at the launch of Win 11, but might not have had the proper hardware to transition off 10. I would assume that computers on a that cusp will mostly support 11, but if the extended updates were free, it would ensure those machines would have had 7 years of security updates - which seems like a reasonable lifespan for a computer these days.
Making those updates free would also mean computers that were 13+ years old were also getting security updates, so maybe my recommendation is overkill.
At some point you just need to move on and stop taking customer service calls from people with old hardware.
Agreed. I’m just looking at the machines that were purchased at the launch of Win 11, but might not have had the proper hardware to transition off 10.
Windows 11 launched in 2021. The bare minimum hardware (8th gen intel) is from 2017. If you were buying 5+ year old hardware in 2021 then that’s on you.
Don’t forget the TPM module! Which has also been pretty damn ubiquitous on mobos for a long ass time.
This is all just clickbait and easy upvotes on lemmy with the big pro-linux movement.
TPM is built into the CPU of all 8th gen and ryzen 2000 series CPUs. The module is only needed for older systems.
The module is only needed for older systems.
Not needed at all. If you’re installing it on an older system, you’re already bypassing the requirements so why bother with a TPM?
Yes. But to be fair they would have ended up there anyway.
I’ve got a computer with a copy of XP on it that still runs. Not connected to the Internet anymore, but it still functions as a computer otherwise.
Ah, the WIntel cartel is at it again. Planned obsolescence.
The incompatible hardware is more than seven years old at this point.
The problem is that that hardware, and older, is still perfectly capable of preforming modern desktop tasks. I have a 12 year old Athlon FX 8320 with 32GB RAM that works great, not the most efficient processor in terms of energy but runs everything well, yet it’s not supported. Honestly I don’t give a shit about Winblows, I work with Linux (system administrator) and I only use Win10 for some gaming. That said, I have a newer Ryzen 9 5950X with 128GB RAM to work with virtualization, and it will stay on Win10 till no longer being sustainable.
So does anyone have a good strategy for transferring non giant things? Like I have a ton of unorganized pictures, documents, videos dating back to my 2009 1TB HDD that still works.
I think I want to run Debian mostly because I don’t know any other build well. Well RHEL, but I want to keep it similar to the Steam Deck as I can
If you want to play games, then Debian isn’t that good of a choice because of the outdated packages. I’d suggest getting a new SSD though. Your HDD is already pretty old and slow and could potentially fail soon, so you might as well get some fresh storage. Makes it easy to test distros too until you found something satisfactory, at which point you can transfer over your old data and eventually format your old HDD into some sort of backup drive I guess.
Linux Mint is a pretty solid option for a desktop OS. And it feels quite a bit like Debian.
I installed Tiny11 on my ancient potato of a laptop to extend its life without having to do without the easy compatibility of Windows OR deal with the bloat and other bullshit Microsoft forces on you.
So far it’s accomplished all of that admirably while being as lightweight and stable as Lubuntu, the Linux distro I had it running before!
Btw, this might be relevant to your interests as well and though it might sound like it, none of the things mentioned and linked in this comment are in any way illegal 😁
I’m not defending Microsoft here but, the problem in this case isn’t Microsoft, there’s no reason a person can’t educate themselves enough to move away from Windows. If you have access to a PC, you more than likely have access to the internet and there’s no shortage of information online.
Yes what Microsoft is doing is negligent. But the consumer can’t be completely blameless.
I’m not defending Microsoft here but, the problem in this case isn’t Microsoft
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"I’m not defending rapists but there’s no reason women can’t educate themselves on how to make it so they’re less likely to be raped.
Yes what rapists are doing is bad. But the person being raped can’t be completely blameless."
I don’t know how men being trash is relevant here. It not hard to learn I don’t understand what everyones problem is. If I know a product is bad and I keep using It, that’s my fault.
Cool, a prime opportunity to scalp even more old machines by the end of the decade once they become valuable.
