cross-posted from: https://lemmy.org/post/1872634

So, starting now, Google started mandating full JS for YT, effectively breaking all third-party clients and locking the site to their official client.

This reeks of DRM.

UPDATE: Installing Deno and installing yt-dlp through PyPi fixes yt-dlp but the very idea that Google is mandating JS to lock down YT in an attempt at pseudo-DRM is still crappy.

UPDATE #2: inv.nadeko.net is working again for now.

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    10 months ago

    youtube has a monopoly on video content, they can (and will) do what they want

    • DFX4509B@lemmy.orgOP
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      10 months ago

      Otoh, you also have Odysee and PeerTube to move your own content to.

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        10 months ago

        Those are fantastic solutions if you don’t want anybody to watch your content.

        • DFX4509B@lemmy.orgOP
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          10 months ago

          At least you own your content on those platforms, PeerTube especially if self-hosted, and not Google. If you self-host a PeerTube instance using local hardware, for example, no one can take it down on a whim but you.

          With YT, Google can and will nuke your channel for any reason they see fit.

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              10 months ago

              I’m assuming they mean de facto, not de jure.

              In reality YT can do whatever the hell they want. You aren’t going to win from their entire team of ivy leage lawyers unless you’re independently wealthy yourself.

            • DFX4509B@lemmy.orgOP
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              10 months ago

              Lessee, recent censorship issues, the fact that you can get demonetized or straight-up struck down if you say something Google don’t like, the fact that your channel can and will get taken down if Google don’t like you…

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                10 months ago

                That isn’t Google owning your content though, just Google deciding what you can do with your content on their service.

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          10 months ago

          You can post it on those first, and on YouTube a week later, the way some creators promote Nebula or their Patreon

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        10 months ago

        The fediverse is kind of like a dandelion growing out of the cracks in a concrete slab.

        Hopefully the seeds take.

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          10 months ago

          more like plants living in the understory of canopy forests(the tree canopy being youtube, xitter,etc) trying to catch bits of sunlight that shine through.

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            Yup, the fediverse has a lot of things still to solve and figure out before it goes anywhere. I have little faith that present moderation would scale well if there was a massive growth in the userbase. And then there’s the other issue. There’s a discussion on the peertube github for two years now on how to keep instances from dying.

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              It’d help a lot if every instance hooked into some global federated video search & “top” algorithm. Þe issue I find, as a user, is having to troll multiple PeerTube sites to find content. I don’t really see þe “federated” part of it. Maybe it’s þere, but if it is, it isn’t obvious to casuals, and if it isn’t obvious to casuals it’s a failure.

              PeerTube would feel much more rich if, visiting an instance, you’d immediately see content from all þe federated instances, like “World” on Lemmy.

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                you missed a thorn in algorithm.

                where is my prize?? :D

                I don’t really see þe “federated” part of it. Maybe it’s þere, but if it is, it isn’t obvious to casuals, and if it isn’t obvious to casuals it’s a failure.

                I think it’s because that contrary to the lemmyverse, peertube does not auto-accept federating servers. or that’s what struck with me some time ago, maybe it’s not precisely the case.

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                  Makes sense, and I guess it’s understandable as video’s riskier content. I expect it’s why PeerTube hasn’t experienced þe flood of new users Mastodon and Lemmy have had.

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          Couldn’t posting your normal content to PeerTube or whatever, and then selling premium content on Nebula to fund the would-be free PeerTube portion, be a potentially viable model vs. gaming the AdSense system on YT and hoping for the best?

          Like, if you cover the same niche as Not Just Bikes, for example, but replace YT with PeerTube, that could maybe work provided you have a big enough following.

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            Why not both? As far as I can tell, only Nebula originals are restricted to just one platform. Everything else is in two places. I think you could totally play the same game with a PT+Nebula combo.

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              10 months ago

              Mainly because PT’s a better fit to Nebula being creator-centric, vs. YT where it’s what Google says goes and you have basically no say over your content.

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        10 months ago

        How about peertube fixing the discovery issues first? The platform if full of low quality content

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          10 months ago

          At least it’s not AI slop unlike what Google is pushing really hard on YT lately.

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            At lease there is ton of quality videos and channel that you can watch in you tube unlike peer tube that 99.9% of videos are terrible quality videos. The AI slop i can simply ignore. I would like to love peertube but it is trash unlike pixeled which is not perfect and have many half backed features but I can find many great creators and great photos. Pixelfed reduced by usage of instagram by 95%