• tomiant@programming.dev
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    1 month ago

    Also, maybe 8 billion is “enough”. Not breeding is only a problem for the economy. Capitalism needs perpetual growth, there is no end game, just more, of everything, forever.

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    The birth rate moral panic is 100% manufactured by neoliberal capitalists who simultaneously want high consumption and low wages, which is a logical impossibilty. You cannot have a consumerist society where the average consumer lives paycheck to paycheck

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      It’s only because capitalism demands it. I am tired of people who think we need more people on this planet, we most certainly do not. There is nothing we can’t do with 8 billion of us that we can do with 8 billion plus 1.

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    A friend of mine has three kids and works 70 hours a week. He is not able to make enough to support his family, and social services have been cut so much that his only option is to take out a personal loan, which will only make his problem worse.

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      14 hours leaves you barely 2 hours of personal time in a day. That’s barely enough to just eat and maybe relax but then if you have 3 kids even that time is gone taking care of them. How and why would anyone put themselves through this, like after the first or second kid wouldn’t your own limits become apparent

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          Yeah didn’t think about that but that’s probably another 2 hours of energy spent on driving, because everything is spread out and there’s no good public transportation options outside of specific areas

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      In the USA? If yes, the US is a sick country in regard to income distribution, labor laws, healthcare and public services. However, if your friend voted MAGA, zero sympathy and he/she can carry on.

  • mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca
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    why would I want to bring somebody into this world. they’d only have to fight for basic things like “let’s be nice to each other” and “maybe we should pool our money to spend it on big things that benefit us all”

    fuck that. I’ll live my little servile life as a cog in the machine as best I can, and then I’ll die. and the dumb fucks who won’t stop breeding while they try to make things worse for their children will repopulate the earth

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      No you don’t understand. We’re the most prosperous we’ve ever been at any point in time. There was literally no other time better than this. Life is wonderful in every way

      /s

      I’m generally a happy person but I hate people who say this.

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    Growing up, I was of the mindset that I would have got married and started a family by this point in my life. But as of the last few years, my thoughts have done just about a 180.

    Even if I was currently with someone/married, I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t want to raise kids in this day and age in the US (the bullet dodged me when my ex-girlfriend used plan b after we got intimate without protection). I think best case scenario for me now would be DINK, but gotta find someone that can put up with my dumpster fires first.

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      Just find someone with similar dumpster fires, then you’ll both burn in the passions of what you love

      Also, thanks for mentioning DINK - Double Income No Kids … never heard of that before and now I learned something new.

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        Currently living that live and fuck me is life easy right now. Cats instead of kids is a very tempting option.

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          Me too! Our cat is the perfect child, most of the time. Except when she pukes on the bed.

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    I want biological kids, and I’m right about the point in my life where it would make the most sense to have them. But whenever family asks about it, I tell them I’m not raising children in this kind of administration. They try to suggest that it’s not that bad and I stand firm that they’re not seeing grandbabies until the government stops being so fashy.

    Actually, millennials could probably hold our hypothetical babies hostage, see what’s more important to them.

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      Actually, millennials could probably hold our hypothetical babies hostage

      Given how many kids are in some combination of foster systems, detention centers, corrections programs, or concentration camps, maybe millennials need to start finding the actual babies and liberating them.

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    Want higher birthrates? Just convince people that tomorrow will be better than today.

    That’s how you see a spike in birth rates.

    To maintain a steady birthrate, just convince potential parents that the world will not be any worse for their children than it is today.

    See, easy.

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      Capitalist Corporations: … hmmmm … I guess there’s no choice … artificial human breeding it is!

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        Capitalism would also charge for every part of the process, raising the price as some techno feudal lord thinks they can find the right balance between extinction pricing and maximum shareholder value.

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        Track everything people do and arrest them for unauthorised opinions? Got it.

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    I mean you’re half right. In a zoo, the keepers care for their animals, making sure they’re well fed, enriched, and healthy.

    We’re being farmed. They are using us to make money from our produce (labour). They’re using us to make money. We’re so over exploited we simply cannot afford to have children.

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    On a more positive note the newest IPCC report on climate has population decline being the biggest positive impact on climate change, so keep at it!

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      How this isn’t obvious and something we should collectively want is beyond me. We really don’t fucking need more than 8 billion people. I don’t think we need more than 1, and even that is pushing it.