Both Ubuntu and Fedora have made it official: support is coming soon for running local generative AI instances.
An epic and still-growing thread in the Fedora forums states one of the goals for the next version: the Fedora AI Developer Desktop Objective. It is causing some discontent, and at least one Fedora contributor, SUSE’s Fernando Mancera, has resigned.
They’re discussing a new spin specifically for AI developers, not changing existing distros to include new stuff.
CTFD
Oh good. We can all just ignore the AI version then?
Yes
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This guy social medias
It’s Linux, you always could ignore any software that you don’t want
Well, we get to slam it and heckle its users, because, well, we need SOME joy in The world…
Right. It is Linux after all. Not microslop
I think it is good to have optional support for local models that lets people use them in an offline and private and easy way. There is a lot of non technical folks using linux nowadays and many chose it for privacy and greater control over their data.
Depending on the implementation it could hook into certain os contexts and events to actually be helpful.
Either way I don’t see the cat going back in the bag with regards to LLMs. That being said I run Debian everywhere except my work machine which is ubuntu.
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Using an llm mondel that isn’t super advanced is actually quite freeing in my opinion, the generated output is always mediocre at best, but it’s usually good enough for boilerplate and can be decent if you need to unstuck yourself. It also isn’t good enough to lull you into just letting the llm do all the work for you since it makes obvious mistakes.
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I mean, it sounds like a tool they occasionally find useful and don’t use otherwise. I’m not sure how “occasionally use a tool good enough for my purposes” is a waste. Whether it’s the most efficient application of that electricity is a different question, but without knowing their particular scenarios I can’t really compare whether other tools use less electricity for the same purpose.
(Yes, of course, “just do it all in your brain” is even more efficient, but if that’s an argument against utilities, you probably shouldn’t waste electricity on Lemmy either)
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If I have a tool that consumes resources whether I use it or not
They were talking about a locally hosted LLM, weren’t they? In that case, I’d be pretty confident in saying it eats resources if and when you use it, not all the time.
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Preemptive compliance to the tech fascism of the US?
What a ridiculous and spineless way to live.
I hope it will be that way. in the end it could be the incentive to improve accessibility and UI automation tools for wayland.
-The system image will not be pre-configured with applications that inspect or monitor how users interact with the system or otherwise place user privacy at risk.
-Tools and applications included in the AI Desktop will not be pre-configured to connect to remote AI services.
-AI tools will not be added to Fedora’s existing system images, Editions, etc, by the AI Desktop initiative.
- It’s a new system image, your Fedora and Ubuntu installs will not be modified.
- The applications that would have privacy implications will be opt-in by default.
- It will not use remote AI unless you configure it to.
I don’t see the problem.
Of using resources to implement a “feature” that users have already expressed they don’t want? Weird, I do.
The users would be the people who choose to install the new system image. The system image which will be created by a group of people who volunteer to create it.
If you’re not using the new system image then this doesn’t affect you at all.
The only opinions that matter here are the ones of the people who are choosing to donate their time to the project. If you think that more development time should be allocated to one project over another then you are free to volunteer your time in order to make that happen.
You are not free to volunteer the time of other people, however.
Add opt in commercials as well that pay the users in AI tokens, and opt in system for selling data on your OS to Palantir that pays user in stocks of Israeli arms dealers, give the users freedom of choice, no problem still \s
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Oh, I like this game.
You’re right, if you take something actually happening in reality and append a scary fabricated scenario then it sound scary.
What an interesting new discovery, I hope nobody tries to apply this in reality. Completely unrelated, Have you considered a career in politics?
I apologize to the community for lacking the paranoid delusions required to see how a project staffed by volunteers who are creating a system image which users have to choose to install was actually part of a plot by the Illuminati to force people to sell their soul to the Antichrist.
As a unwitting tool of The Man, I throw myself at the mercy of the community’s judgement. Please scourge me most thoroughly so that I may repent from my evil ways of observing reality as it appears.
Always pretty funny to see the FOSS community willingly follow the lead of corporate investment trends, but for fractions of pennies on the dollar compared to big tech.
If you’re gonna act like Microsoft you might as well do it for the money.
To be fair, those two distros are owned by big corporations so it’s not unexpected.
lol they already support running local models. wtf is the distro gonna do…? pre-install llama.cpp? this is so silly to me that people are resigning over this, too.
Is that the one that really whips the llama.cpp’s ass?
Now I have to install winamp and get a bunch of sick skins for it.
it hasn’t left my PC in 20+ years 😎 (not counting OS reinstalls lol)
Open claw by default would be cool
What’s wrong with just installing ollama?
I mean if it’s completely optional and opt-in, sure go for it. Knock yourself out. I won’t be using it (my computer isn’t powerful enough to run local LLMs)
Shame
Shaame!
FWIW, LM Studio makes it incredibly easy to do this. I’ve been in tech for decades, and there are probably only a couple of suggestions I"d made to the LMS team if they wanted to target a broader, less tech savvy user base, but I think they already have their target demographic covered. I imagine the Ubuntu and Fedora crowds are already tech savvy, but vendors making it easier to ween reliance off tech giants’ LLMs isn’t a bad thing, if LLM’s are here to stay.
Now the one thing that will turn me off to initiatives like this is if these OS vendors restrct which model can be used, or make it more friction not to use their “chosen” default. Like Google just did by pushing What I"m assuming was Gemma 4 E2B to Chrome users. I figure Google wants to offload the LLM usage to local compute to take the load of their data centers, and since Chrome is already a data harvesting tool for them, there was no downside to their operations.
SUSE contributes to Fedora? WTF?
Someone from SUSE used to contribute to Fedora
not anymore. IBM decided a few years ago that they don’t want grubby fossy fingers in their pie.
kind of makes me question why anyone who supports the foss part of Linux would continue to use fedora or any IBM product.
I say this as an ex fedora fanboy.
fuck IBM.
FOMO is a thing. Who’s gonna want to run the old version packaged in the distro anyway. Those things go stale pretty quickly, especially at the rate we’re seeing updates in local inference.
Afaik its only gonna be used for stuff like screen reading, which if you’ve ever tried an open source speech synthesis model, you’d know even an old lightweight LLM model is better than it.
I’d also argue that if you actually care about local llms, you can just set up ollama and use that.
I hope actual weights are not packaged as part of the OS. The inference engine, sure, but again, it’s gonna get stale really fast.
Friends don’t let friends run Ollama. There are much better options.
It’s apparently a separate spin anyway, so your standard Fedora won’t have any of that shipped with it.
And it you’re using Ubuntu, I really can’t help you.
That was a good burn. I know I can do better with my distro choice. :)
Chin up, you could also do worse! Microslop are way ahead of Canonical or RedHat, and way less scrupulous about it…
Well yes. I miss my Solaris 9. It was the best OS I’ve had. But now Illumus and the forks are … well. Too bad. Any decent distro that follows System V the way it was?
I don’t really understand the point? You can already do a lot on Linux using AI via CLI with bash.
I’m not a fan, but obviously, AI on the desktop is not about the CLI and bash, which are not the desktop.
I don’t really understand the point?
Correct: you don’t. I’m basing this only off what you wrote, but I’m reasonably confident of my answer. Glad I could answer the question as asked.
I miss the good ole days on the Internet when random strangers wouldn’t try to white knight people who casually assault the English language.
If you don’t want people to correct you then be correct in the first place or accept the ribbing as a sign that you messed up.
And to the downvoters: there is enough free range ignorance on the Internet, it isn’t an endangered species that you need to protect. literally
Im actually fine with this but its got to be gpl all the way and it should be like runlevels. install console only, install graphhical, install llm supported.
This isn’t a “ghost in the machine”. This is “introducing rot directly into the core of the machine”.
Time to boycott all ubuntu and fedora derivatives and distributions. Fuck AI!
I just got comfortable with Bazzite, too. Cept the wrird OOM that popped up with Firefox, still attempting to fix that one…
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