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      If you ask AI models to hallucinate what it would do as CEO, they usually say things that are environment and worker friendly, so it would be an improvement. Of course, they would train the CEO AI with nothing but Henry Ford speeches and books about the grindset.

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    These folks just don’t get it.

    Let’s put aside the discussion of whether their enthusiasm for the tech is merited or not, that is beside the point.

    A commencement speaker is not there to talk about themselves or their favorite things. They are not there to teach the graduates anything or try to debate with the graduates.

    A commencement speaker is there to honor and respect the graduates. To commend them on how far they have come and express optimism for what they will bring to society in the future. To make them feel appreciated for all they have done and are about to do. To feel inspired by what they have accomplished and the possibilities they bring to society. There has been and will be plenty of opportunity to educate, debate, and convince them, but this is not the venue for any of that.

    Speaking about how “awesome” AI is and how they should be grateful for it is disrespecting them by failing to let them be the focus of their own graduation.

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      Also to rouse and inspire them.

      “I’m working on a machine that will make you guys redundant, and then I’ll make those booing me see. l’ll make you all see.” is hardly going to do that.

      He would be much better off talking about how it was the stuff of science fiction not long ago, and how the graduates would be helping to push humanity forward, and make real, things that were also previously considered impossible.

      Some of the talks are also just really bad. I’ve seen a few, and they’re little more than ads, or bragging about a thing the institution is doing that’s unrelated to the graduates themselves. Saw one where the speaker was talking about how the college was using AI for various things. Why even have that in the graduates’ speech?

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      the “Some of you may die” speech by Lord Farquaad from Shrek would be too on-the-nose, tho.

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        Yeah, an experienced devops can turn a max claude code subscription into a credible position or two. You give it a directory full of indexed md’s and access to your playbooks and it’s really good at understanding your logs and using saveguarded tools you write for it.

        But those data-centers full of the most advanced purposed built machines are expensive AF, and the tech is moving so fast, those boxes from 2 years ago are already too inadequate.

        When the seed capital is gone and the ventures all want their payday, the banks aren’t going to foot the bill.

        AI is here to stay, but the cutting edge will continue become more exponentially more expensive while still only being incrementally better than humans. Sans some amazing breakthrough, it’ll price itself out the the market.

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          well put.

          my only question is how many years of this shit will we need to survive until they realize: there’s no such thing as a free lunch? yeah, you can get agentic systems working with accuracy and precision, but will it ever be a panacea to dev costs that justify the trillions - TRILLIONS - of dollars invested for the paltry billions of profit?

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            how many years of this shit will we need to survive

            That’s largely dependent on the “trillionaires” negotiation with the banks. Some of the data centers are already having trouble getting funded.

            FWIW, if you REALLY want this shit to stop, push legislation to tax the fuck out of the data centers. They’re only building them because of the huge return on investment, tax them in real time on what that return looks like. I think a state and federal tax rate above 40% would greatly slow down this bullshit and get some stuff paid for that we actually need. No hiding behind ‘losses’. That Equipment gets taxed locally at market value and the warehouse+water+electric hookups are taxed at such rates that the utilities can expand what is necessary without fucking over the residents.

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              FWIW, if you REALLY want this shit to stop, push legislation to tax the fuck out of the data centers.

              fuckin’a

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          while still only being incrementally better than humans

          That’s only true in some extremely rare use cases.

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            It’s not better by default, at least for now. It’s better at writing than most of the US’s 5th grade adult reading comprehension levels. It’s better at logo design than your average coder. It’s not better than a trained craft person, but it’s often faster. You do have to be really careful to either give it tools that can’t fuck things up, or super carefull in reading what it’s asking you if it can do.

            If you give Claude code a manual, it’s shockingly adept at following instructions at speed. Take this license file from my email and update my perforce server. Use my Ansible in /projects/Ansible to connect to it.

            Can I read that file?
            Can I read that Ansible inventory?
            Can I run this Ansible command to find the install folder?
            Can I run this Ansible command to copy the file?
            Can I run this Ansible command to backup the existing file?
            Can I run this Ansible command to install the license?
            Can I run this Ansible command to verify the install worked?

            Done.

            It’s not hard, but it’s only once a year, and hell if I remember the ins and outs of 1:10000 tasks

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    Pichai has acheived next to nothing in 11 years at google that wasnt set up by previous leadershi-- all while keeping one of the largest and finest development teams in the world. No big product launches since 2015 when he too over. His “bard” AI effort crashed and burned. He can feel free to shut up and sit down. This pencil-dicked loser needs to do more listening than talking.

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      I have not large doubts that he and even some people in his position elsewhere can be replaced by AI. We could save a hell lot of money and be even more productive!

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      Google long ago became another IBM: bureaucratic, rent-seeking and no longer innovative.

      IBM has (at least had) quite a lot of clever techies too, but as an organization it’s brain-dead.

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    I see no reason to listen to what that guy has to say on this topic. He’s only out for money and you can’t believe a word he says and he’s not an expert on it.

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    This seems like a wonderful time to share this wonderful song

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_mzYS-ET8o

    oh fuck you

    and your ai

    fuck you elon, fuck you sam,

    fuck you sundar pichai

    you said the chance

    that we all die is

    around 1 in 5 – was that hype?

    or are you really

    generating genocide?

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      Thank you for sharing the song, that was lovely.

      Quick Markdown formatting tip: In most flavours you can add 2 spaces at the end of a line to force a line break. Then you can format your block quotes a little prettier without empty newlines:

      oh fuck you
      and your ai
      fuck you elon, fuck you sam,
      fuck you sundar pichai
      you said the chance
      that we all die is
      around 1 in 5 – was that hype?

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    All the supposed top education developed Pichai and it failed. He still believes in the completely fucked up Caste System which leads to his view on AI. He wants to keep the lower class and make sure it remains that way.

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      It definitely is a threat. Considering they are already planning on replacing entry level positions with AI they are directly attacking this new generation’s livelihood.

      So the fact that they get a little pushback for trying to end the cycle of employment is kind of a joke. This new generation should literally be at their throats if they knew what was good for them.

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      These graduates are actually both going to be a big part of driving that progress and also dealing with the impact," he added, referring to AI.

      Yes. And a direct one at that.

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    If we crowd source a rocket i am told they don’t ask questions when we offer them a seat. Oh wait, that was just another lie. I guess a guillotine would be more cost effective than a rocket…

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    I wonder how he would feel if we then redefined the concept of corporate ownership. “You know those billions in shares you used to own?”

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    the only consequence of a world without ai is a smooth running industrial powerhouse that increases the value of its people and marketshares. continued use of ai reduces marketshare as well as production output while also shrinking the customer base

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      Yeah, it’ll be like the impact on the ocean of someone taking their toe out of the water.

      The next big thing won’t come from Google. It’s just doing portfolio management, sustaining and milking me-too products like their web apps and Google Cloud while enshittifying them, and hoping they’ll get lucky with one of their many incubator projects. Odds are, they won’t. They lack the agility and aren’t hungry anymore.

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    “I’ve always been extraordinarily optimistic about the next generation,” he told the hosts. AI, he said, doesn’t change that. “My goal would be to share my experiences, and that’s what I’m looking to do.”

    I had some money left over this month, so when I noticed my old phone seems to be bulging slightly, I decided I could splurge a little and spend just under 300€ for a decent second-hand one.

    But I’m sure his experiences will apply to my situation.